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Feb 25 19:47:29 <Tulsi> Hi everyone ! :)
Feb 25 19:47:41 <Anoop-Rao> hello
Feb 25 19:47:43 <Gapu> Hello Tulsi
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Feb 25 19:48:13 <Tulsi> Hello Gapu ji
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Feb 25 19:49:58 <tuxnani> Hi Everyone. We will start at 8 pm IST. In the mean time, we can have any other discussions that may not be about Wikisource.
Feb 25 19:50:41 <tuxnani> I am Rahmanuddin from Telugu Wiki Community. Sysop on Telugu Wikisource.
Feb 25 19:51:24 <Gapu> Hello..
Feb 25 19:51:59 <enwnbot> <AnanthSubray> I am ananth from Kannada wiki community and I work with CIS-A2K
Feb 25 19:52:57 <Anoop-Rao> I'm Anoop from kannada wiki community
Feb 25 19:53:16 <Gapu> I'm Sangram from Odia Wikipedia, woriking for both Wikipedia and Wikisource.
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Feb 25 19:55:51 <tuxnani> ಅನಂತ, ನೀನು ಏಕೆ ಬಾಟ್ ಮೇಲಿಂದ ಸಂಭಾಷಣೆ ಮಾಡ್ತಿದ್ದೀರಾ? ಐಆರ್ಸೀ ಖಾತೆ ಇಲ್ಲವಾ ಹೇಗೆ?
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Feb 25 19:58:05 <enwnbot> <lahariya> Hello,
Feb 25 19:58:36 <Gurlal> Hi
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Feb 25 19:59:47 <Manav> Hi everyone :)
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Feb 25 20:00:30 <tuxnani> Thanks Titodutta for setting up the topic!
Feb 25 20:00:57 <shrini> hello all
Feb 25 20:01:05 <shrini> happy to meet you all here
Feb 25 20:01:37 <Satdeep> hello everyone
Feb 25 20:01:40 <Titodutta> Thanks and hello.
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Feb 25 20:02:17 <Aliva> Hello
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Feb 25 20:02:42 <Vinay> Hello all
Feb 25 20:02:49 <tuxnani> I am using mobile client and hence may be on and off.
Feb 25 20:02:53 <enwnbot> <Pavan89> Hi everyone, … I'm pavan santhosh
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Feb 25 20:03:02 <Aliva> Now am using mobile
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Feb 25 20:03:35 <Aliva> All are here?
Feb 25 20:03:37 <sangappa> hello every one
Feb 25 20:03:51 <Titodutta> Yes we are here
Feb 25 20:03:58 <Krishna> Hi
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Feb 25 20:04:13 <Raghu> Hello all
Feb 25 20:04:17 <Sudhanwa> I am also on mobile. May get disconnected frequently.
Feb 25 20:04:42 <Titodutta> Me too (on mobile) :)
Feb 25 20:04:43 <Aliva> Then start
Feb 25 20:04:46 <tuxnani> We can start with short introductions
Feb 25 20:04:53 <Titodutta> Yes
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Feb 25 20:05:07 <Aliva> Actually am not in home . So I will chat some where
Feb 25 20:05:17 <tuxnani> I am Rahmanuddin from Telugu Wiki Community.
Feb 25 20:05:30 <Gapu> I'm Sangram from Odia Wiki community.
Feb 25 20:05:46 <Anoop-Rao> Anoop from kannada wiki community
Feb 25 20:05:51 Already marked back.
Feb 25 20:05:52 <Manav> Manav from Punjabi Wiki UG
Feb 25 20:05:53 <Vinay> Vinay from Kannada wiki community.
Feb 25 20:06:01 <shrini> I am Shrini from Tamil Community
Feb 25 20:06:04 <Titodutta> I am Tito. English Wikipedian
Feb 25 20:06:05 <Subas> Subas, Odia community
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Feb 25 20:06:07 <Satpal> Satpal from Punjabi wiki
Feb 25 20:06:12 <mallikarjuna> Hello from Mallikarjunasj
Feb 25 20:06:15 <sangappa> sangappadyamani from kannada wiki community
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Feb 25 20:06:27 <Aliva> Hello am Aliva From odia wiki
Feb 25 20:06:31 <Satdeep> Satdeep from Punjabi UG
Feb 25 20:06:50 <Gurlal> Gurlal from Punjabi Wiki Community
Feb 25 20:06:51 <Ravidreams> Hi, I am Ravi :)
Feb 25 20:06:51 <KCVelaga> I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga, from English Wikipedia
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Feb 25 20:06:57 <Satdeep> haha @Ravi
Feb 25 20:07:01 <tuxnani> 🙏
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Feb 25 20:07:27 <Tulsi> Hi ! This is Tulsi from Nepal.
Feb 25 20:07:45 <Manav> Ravi :)
Feb 25 20:08:13 <Gram> I am Guntupalli Rameswaram from telugu Wikisource
Feb 25 20:08:22 <Tulsi> Hi Manav :)
Feb 25 20:08:32 <Manav> hi Tulsi :)
Feb 25 20:08:37 <enwnbot> <Pavan89> 🙏
Feb 25 20:08:44 <Sush0809> Hey ! I m Sushma from.hindi Wikipedia
Feb 25 20:08:59 <Ravidreams> :)
Feb 25 20:09:10 <Sush0809> Hi tulsi, guntupati :)
Feb 25 20:09:14 <tuxnani> I would request Pavan Santhosh in disguise of @enwnbot to give insights into Telugu Wikisource progress.
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Feb 25 20:09:59 <Aliva> Yes start now
Feb 25 20:10:03 <Tulsi> @ Sush0809: Hi Sushma ji,
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Feb 25 20:10:16 <balajj> hi
Feb 25 20:11:31 <Aliva> What is our main topic
Feb 25 20:11:44 <Anoop-Rao> WikiSource
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Feb 25 20:12:00 <KCVelaga> @Ananth What is the agenda?
Feb 25 20:12:16 <Aliva> Yes I know . But what the topic on Wikisource
Feb 25 20:12:21 <tuxnani> 1. Self Introduction
Feb 25 20:12:21 <tuxnani> 2. Few stats on Indic wiki source project ( share relevant links )
Feb 25 20:12:21 <tuxnani> 3. Major issues we faces
Feb 25 20:12:21 <tuxnani> 4. Ideas to overcome
Feb 25 20:12:21 <tuxnani> 5. Common tools used
Feb 25 20:12:21 <tuxnani> 6. Tools we need
Feb 25 20:12:21 <tuxnani> 7. Potential organizations to collaborate
Feb 25 20:12:22 <tuxnani> 8. Conducting Mini-one day events
Feb 25 20:12:25 <Ananth> 1. Self Introduction 2. Few stats on Indic wiki source project ( share relevant links ) 3. Major issues we faces 4. Ideas to overcome 5. Common tools used 6. Tools we need 7. Potential organizations to collaborate 8. Conducting Mini-one day events
Feb 25 20:12:34 <Subas> Shoe stats
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Feb 25 20:12:50 <Subas> Show
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Feb 25 20:13:39 <Gram_> Hello
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Feb 25 20:15:29 <Manav> Ananth plz start
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Feb 25 20:16:09 <Satdeep> Jayanta Da can share stats of various Wikisource projects
Feb 25 20:16:20 <balajj> yes.. Ananth pls initiate the converstation
Feb 25 20:16:30 <Ananth> https://tools.wmflabs.org/phetools/statistics.php?diff=0
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Feb 25 20:17:12 <Ananth> the above link will help you understand growth of Wikisource communities
Feb 25 20:17:16 <Ananth> and the work
Feb 25 20:17:33 <Aliva> Oho .
Feb 25 20:17:54 <mallikarjuna> Proposal: This report, if sortable, would be helpful.
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Feb 25 20:19:20 <Ananth> I request one from each community to share their work related to Wikisource.
Feb 25 20:19:21 <jayanta> https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Indic_Wikisource_Stats
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Feb 25 20:19:38 <Gapu> In these days, we have only a few active members for Odia Wikisource.
Feb 25 20:19:42 <smjalageri> namaste - Siddappa, kannada wikisource
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Feb 25 20:20:02 <Gapu> But, we are trying to give more time to wikisource for proof reading.
Feb 25 20:20:22 <jayanta> https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Indic_Wikisource_Stats this page is better under stand the Indic wikisource stats
Feb 25 20:20:27 <Gurlal> @ananth punjabi is not in the statistics
Feb 25 20:20:48 <Gapu> Also we are ispiring people to work for wikisource, because at Wikisource, they could learn more and the arctiles could editted easily.
Feb 25 20:20:51 <jayanta> paws will be added soon
Feb 25 20:20:51 <Satdeep> Thank you for sharing the stats @Jayanta
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Feb 25 20:21:05 <sangappa> namaskara @smjalageri
Feb 25 20:21:05 <Satdeep> Thanks Jayanta da
Feb 25 20:21:33 <balajj> indic stat is useful
Feb 25 20:22:37 <Gram_> Useful stats. More readable books inTelugu
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Feb 25 20:22:55 <Gapu> And if the ORC could work properly for our scripts, then we could add more books. We need more time in proof reading than typing them.
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Feb 25 20:23:12 <Satdeep> Same in Punjabi Gapu
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Feb 25 20:23:19 <jayanta> as of now our main issue is OCR script not working
Feb 25 20:23:22 <Satdeep> So, since we have the stats
Feb 25 20:23:25 <Satdeep> Let's move forward
Feb 25 20:23:29 <Ananth> Some languages are missing in stats, I think we should add those also.
Feb 25 20:23:46 <tuxnani> Its about activity
Feb 25 20:23:50 <yannf> hi, sorry, I am late ;)
Feb 25 20:23:50 <jayanta> which language??
Feb 25 20:24:11 <Ananth> Punjabi
Feb 25 20:24:12 <enwnbot> <Pavan89> Participation: Telugu Wikisource during Jan to June 2017 saw 3-4 editors contributing 100+ edits every month (very active editors) … And after a hike in mid 2018 to 15-14 finally settled at 5 very active editors
Feb 25 20:24:18 <tuxnani> More activity - statd
Feb 25 20:24:23 <Subas> OCR is very defective.
Feb 25 20:24:35 <tuxnani> No activity - no stats
Feb 25 20:24:45 <Gapu> We could inspire people to read the books without any cost, at the time of proof reading. So more people could join.
Feb 25 20:24:48 <yannf> I am currently at Gwalior
Feb 25 20:25:05 <shrini> For few PDF files, the google OCR is not working
Feb 25 20:25:21 <shrini> we may have to try tesseract 4
Feb 25 20:25:26 <yannf> what about Hindi wikisource?
Feb 25 20:25:43 <tuxnani> @Ravi can throw some light on OCR in Tamil
Feb 25 20:25:52 <shrini> tesseract 4 it is still in development, but gives nice results for tamil
Feb 25 20:25:57 <Aliva> In odia I also started 100 days
Feb 25 20:26:00 <Satdeep> There is not much activity in Hindi currently
Feb 25 20:26:18 <enwnbot> <Pavan89> Telugu Wikisource Workshop was held in July 2017 which aimed to help existing Wikimedians to learn complete book digitization process, and the event got 2 new Wikisource editors who consistently contributing from then.
Feb 25 20:26:33 <jayanta> welcon Yann
Feb 25 20:26:35 <Sudhanwa> Can we come to the point please. No point in discussing known issues. If there are solutions, please share.
Feb 25 20:26:52 <balajj> ocr in tamil with recent fonts. bad with few of the old tamil scripts
Feb 25 20:26:53 <enwnbot> <Pavan89> @Pavan89 [Telugu Wikisource Workshop was held in July 2017 which aimed to help existing Wi …], One of those new Wikisourcers, Ramesham is currently participating in this ITC
Feb 25 20:27:02 <enwnbot> <Pavan89> *IRC
Feb 25 20:28:11 <yannf> any idea about doing workshop in Hindi?
Feb 25 20:28:13 <Gapu> Yes, in Odia, We are only two memebers who wrote everyday as a challenge of 100wikidays. and 2-3 members are also contributing regularly, but we need at least 10-15 members who could contribute daily.
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Feb 25 20:28:21 <enwnbot> <Pavan89> @Sudhanwa, … Many Wikipedians who can potentially contribute to Wikisource can contribute if we can hold some workshop to them
Feb 25 20:28:33 <yannf> that would be a good way to increase participation
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Feb 25 20:28:38 <Aliva> Yes but try more
Feb 25 20:29:23 <sangappa> number of visitors to Wikisource is less compare to wikipedia
Feb 25 20:29:30 <enwnbot> <Pavan89> @Pavan89 [@Sudhanwa, … Many Wikipedians who can potentially contribute to Wikisource can con …], As Wikipedians already care for free knowledge, Wikisource Workshop is a little push for them to contribute to project
Feb 25 20:29:47 <enwnbot> <kc_velaga> Yes, Creating an editor base for Wikisource is important
Feb 25 20:29:54 <Titodutta> Yes. That will help
Feb 25 20:30:38 <Gapu> The number of visitors would increase, if we could get some news books for wikisource.
Feb 25 20:30:44 <balajj> wsexport is a wonderful tool for the users to download books from wikisource in variety of formats such as pdf ebup text mobi etc.this would make reading easy in many devices. but only bn ta and te and integrated wsexport tool
Feb 25 20:30:47 <Ananth> So can we have a small small event in upcomin days in all the langauges?
Feb 25 20:30:56 <Gram_> But in our case we first started to work in wikisource
Feb 25 20:31:01 <Gapu> Only a few people are interested on these old books.
Feb 25 20:31:10 <balajj> pls other language also integrate wsexport tool..
Feb 25 20:31:18 <Manav> we can have one school level event
Feb 25 20:31:22 <balajj> if any help required i can do..
Feb 25 20:31:31 <Manav> and can involve students in this project
Feb 25 20:31:32 <Ananth> @balajj thank you for sure we will use it
Feb 25 20:31:34 <enwnbot> <Pavan89> @balajj [<balajj> if any help required i can do..], Thank you
Feb 25 20:31:45 <Aliva> Can we start a workshop
Feb 25 20:31:48 <Gram_> Old people are in general interested in old books
Feb 25 20:32:25 <Gapu> Yes, I agree with Manav mam.. we could inspire school children, but first we have to convince their parents.
Feb 25 20:32:45 <Manav> no... we need to talk to the school management
Feb 25 20:32:49 <jayanta> any technical help for tool intregration, I am ready for help
Feb 25 20:33:05 <balajj> https://tools.wmflabs.org/wsexport/tool/stat.php
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Feb 25 20:33:14 <Gram_> What is ideal age group for students
Feb 25 20:33:24 <Ananth> CIS-A2K can help you work with school etc
Feb 25 20:33:27 <Aliva> We can start in library. Start with oldage people
Feb 25 20:33:30 <yannf> I may be able to organise a workshop in my place, a new computer room is going to be installed soon
Feb 25 20:33:35 <balajj> 1000s of books are downloaded through ws export tool in ta language
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Feb 25 20:34:25 <balajj> in old books for religious text lot of requirement from public
Feb 25 20:34:33 <enwnbot> <Pavan89> And for, Wiki Education Program, Wikisource can be one of the best projects to start
Feb 25 20:34:55 <enwnbot> <acagastya> Not all parents would allow — but yes, like what Manav said, if the school promotes it, probability of parents allowing their children would increase.
Feb 25 20:35:19 <jayanta> wikisource will be the reference backbone of Wikipedia in future
Feb 25 20:35:32 <Aliva> <Pavan89> Agree
Feb 25 20:35:38 <Ananth> agreed
Feb 25 20:35:46 <Titodutta> Yes
Feb 25 20:35:49 <Anoop-Rao> Instead of school start with pu colleges
Feb 25 20:35:51 <Gram_> Yes
Feb 25 20:35:53 <balajj> yes
Feb 25 20:36:00 <Gurlal> yes
Feb 25 20:36:16 <Gapu> The students from English medium might get the chance to know about the local languages easily, if they contribute for wikisource.
Feb 25 20:36:22 <tuxnani> Can we organise these issues, one language after other.
Feb 25 20:36:37 <enwnbot> <Pavan89> One of our Wikisource contributers Murthy, Wrote little introductions to chapters of book he is working on, in fb and it can be good idea to get people there
Feb 25 20:36:41 <Raghu> In christ degree students are working with wikisource
Feb 25 20:36:43 <tuxnani> Can we list down if there are any issues for English Wikisource from English community?
Feb 25 20:37:48 <enwnbot> <kc_velaga> May be @Yann can comment on this
Feb 25 20:38:28 <Titodutta> I don"t know about anything major (although I don't know much about English Wikisource, so Tanned or someone might help)
Feb 25 20:38:45 <tuxnani> yannf: any insights?
Feb 25 20:38:55 <Subas> I think English community has no problems
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Feb 25 20:39:06 <Titodutta> Yann* uh autocorrect
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Feb 25 20:39:57 <tuxnani> Can we move onto Hindi wikisource then? Hindi wikisource is a very recent addition.
Feb 25 20:40:08 <yannf> I have not edited en.ws recently, but no issue ad far as I can remember
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Feb 25 20:40:49 <tuxnani> yannf: Thanks
Feb 25 20:40:59 <yannf> tuxnani, Hindi WS still doesn't exist independently
Feb 25 20:40:59 <tuxnani> https://wikisource.org/wiki/Main_Page/%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%80
Feb 25 20:41:15 <yannf> tha's the issue
Feb 25 20:41:52 <enwnbot> <kc_velaga> One thing is clear that awareness about English Wikisource and number of contributors to en Wikisource from India are very less. … Even though I am not myself an active contributor to it. Whenever I hover around I can see a lot of Indian government and Indian records, and English books by Indian authors are to be proofread. … Th
Feb 25 20:41:52 <enwnbot> is is again brings us back to the need to do more Wikisource workshops.
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Feb 25 20:42:40 <balajj> manual work is enormous..
Feb 25 20:42:55 <balajj> we have to find ways to automate
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Feb 25 20:43:53 <balajj> identify common ocr errors. built a public list. use bots to correct them
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Feb 25 20:44:43 <tuxnani_> balajj: that's a good idea, we implemented in Telugu Wiksiource while working with placing Quran translation on Wikisource.
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Feb 25 20:45:05 <balajj> commendable job
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Feb 25 20:45:34 <info-farmer> This small tool will helping me a lot to do small edits instead of opening full page
Feb 25 20:45:38 <info-farmer> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tutorial-tamil-firefox-addon-QuickWikiEditor-usage.webm
Feb 25 20:46:04 <tuxnani_> Krishna: My request to you is to acquire works of Baba Saheb Ambedkar as they have been copyright lapsed now.
Feb 25 20:46:06 <info-farmer> but it is to be updated
Feb 25 20:46:12 <Titodutta> Yes it is a fine addon
Feb 25 20:46:35 <Sumita> Sorry I am late. can we get a small detail of important discussion
Feb 25 20:46:40 <tuxnani_> find out what's copyright status of English translations
Feb 25 20:46:44 <Bodhisattwa> Balaji, share the script to fix OCR typos
Feb 25 20:46:54 <tuxnani_> That will give enough boost for Wiksiource to be in media.
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Feb 25 20:47:11 <enwnbot> <Pavan89> 👍
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Feb 25 20:47:36 <tuxnani_> Any issues from Bangla, specific?
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Feb 25 20:47:55 <Bodhisattwa> Balaji, Infofarmer, share the script to fix OCR typos
Feb 25 20:47:58 <Sudhanwa> Awareness of copyright is very important. If schools are to be targeted for trainings, clear understanding of copyright must be given.
Feb 25 20:48:00 <balajj> i am using find and replace option in autowikibrowser. so not using scripts
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Feb 25 20:48:32 <balajj> can be done with pywikibot too i guess
Feb 25 20:48:35 <Sumita> Is there any scripts for OCR typos
Feb 25 20:48:45 <Sudhanwa> There are instances where some books still not free from the rights are used.
Feb 25 20:48:54 <shrini> https://github.com/tshrinivasan/tools-for-wiki/tree/master/fix_spellerrors_tawikisource
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Feb 25 20:49:05 <tuxnani_> Sumita: and others, we need to list down common OCR errors and their replacements and use AWB or Pywikibot to bulk replace.
Feb 25 20:49:10 <Bodhisattwa> Thanks shrini
Feb 25 20:49:16 <tuxnani_> Sudhanwa: Can you indicate?
Feb 25 20:49:18 <shrini> here is the script to fix OCR errors from a list in a wikipage
Feb 25 20:49:41 <Bodhisattwa> Thanks Shrini
Feb 25 20:49:53 <info-farmer> Is it possible for CIS, to update that tool ? or where i can get help?
Feb 25 20:50:01 <Sudhanwa> And a good ocr for indic languages is a must for wikisource.
Feb 25 20:50:08 <Bodhisattwa> Shrini, please solve the issue for empty text
Feb 25 20:50:25 <Bodhisattwa> All work has been stopped
Feb 25 20:51:16 <Titodutta> We can of course help and connect with the people who might solve the issue. From mobile it is difficult to try all links. But yes we'll put our effort
Feb 25 20:51:28 <tuxnani_> jayanta: any specific issues with Bangla Wikisource? Bodhisattwa
Feb 25 20:51:43 <Bodhisattwa> Nothing, we are good
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Feb 25 20:51:58 <enwnbot> <lahariya> @tuxnani_ [<tuxnani_> Krishna: My request to you is to acquire works of Baba Saheb Ambedkar …], MEA which holds copyright of Dr. B.R. Ambedkar's writing officially has not responded to out requests. Maharashtra Govt has outright refused to release it under cc licence. We can approach Navayana Publications...
Feb 25 20:52:45 <tuxnani_> enwnbot: @Tanveer, a book thats in public domain already, why request to release in CC license?
Feb 25 20:52:55 <Bodhisattwa> Infofarmer, of you are free, you can resume your bot work in bnws
Feb 25 20:52:59 <tuxnani_> I can get this done.
Feb 25 20:53:02 <info-farmer> You pls focus on technical issues on indic WS.
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Feb 25 20:53:11 <Bodhisattwa> After the issue has been fixed
Feb 25 20:53:41 <tuxnani_> Requesting for release of a public domain work into CC is making things complicated.
Feb 25 20:53:43 <yannf> the stats are incomplete, if anyone can do coding, it would be created to fix the stats
Feb 25 20:53:58 <tuxnani_> Can we hear from Punjabi Wikisource, any specific issues?
Feb 25 20:54:07 <enwnbot> <acagastya> tuxnani, you do not need to prefix "enwnbot" in your mentions; however, if you are responding to someone whose message was sent via enwnbot, consider using "@".
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Feb 25 20:54:45 <tuxnani_> @acagastya, that would not ping, would it?
Feb 25 20:54:54 <yannf> only, bn, te, and sa graphs are shown
Feb 25 20:55:05 <enwnbot> <acagastya> It will.
Feb 25 20:55:17 <tuxnani_> yannf: check https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikisource/EN/Sitemap.htm
Feb 25 20:55:23 <enwnbot> <acagastya> enwnbot is just a bridge bot.
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Feb 25 20:56:10 <yannf> for proofreading, http://tools.wmflabs.org/phetools/statistics.php is much more interesting
Feb 25 20:56:21 <Gurlal> OCR is major issue of punjabi wikisource
Feb 25 20:56:22 <Balajijagadesh> @yannf the stat link is not updated after nov 2017
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Feb 25 20:56:56 <Titodutta> Is it not working properly, or explain the issue Gurlal
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Feb 25 20:57:46 <Nirajan> @Gurlal Which OCR do you use?
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Feb 25 20:58:26 <jayanta> https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Indic_Wikisource_Stats/stats.py can anyone run this script to update the indic stasts
Feb 25 20:58:30 <Satdeep> We use the python bot OCR4wikisource
Feb 25 20:58:44 <yannf> Balajijagadesh, yes, Phe's stats are up to date, but not for all langages
Feb 25 20:58:45 <Bodhisattwa__> https://github.com/tshrinivasan/OCR4wikisource/issues/99
Feb 25 20:58:51 <info-farmer> Bodhi! i already discussed with Srini about the server need for bnWS. You please have a mail with him. i think to a server for bnWS, we need a small amount.
Feb 25 20:58:54 <Gurlal> there's only 10% accuracy
Feb 25 20:59:26 <Gurlal> while using OCR4wikisource
Feb 25 20:59:45 <Titodutta> Oh
Feb 25 21:00:06 <Bodhisattwa__> @Infofarmer, what server, please explain
Feb 25 21:00:13 <enwnbot> <Pavan89> @Gurlal [<Gurlal> while using OCR4wikisource], Is it even on good quality, recently published work?
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Feb 25 21:00:40 <enwnbot> <Pavan89> @Pavan89 [Is it even on good quality, recently published work?], I mean good scan quality and clear font
Feb 25 21:00:50 <Nirajan> Oh
Feb 25 21:01:00 <Ananth> @pavan, yes
Feb 25 21:01:11 <Ananth> with new books also the quality is bad
Feb 25 21:01:20 <info-farmer> Srini! will u pls give a brief about the server
Feb 25 21:01:24 <enwnbot> <Pavan89> Oh
Feb 25 21:01:25 <Ananth> In punjabi
Feb 25 21:01:31 <Balajijagadesh> @jayanta how to run this script https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Indic_Wikisource_Stats/stats.py
Feb 25 21:01:42 <Ananth> so we shoould focus on it
Feb 25 21:01:43 <Gurlal> yes pavan ...same problem with new books
Feb 25 21:01:50 <tuxnani_> jayanta: can you provide the two.txt file?
Feb 25 21:01:54 <enwnbot> <Pavan89> Okay
Feb 25 21:02:04 <tuxnani_> whats there in the txt file? jayanta
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Feb 25 21:03:30 <info-farmer> @jayanta If u make a screenast that will be helpful for all of us
Feb 25 21:03:32 <tuxnani_> Gurlal: can we move on? We need to hear from Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam, Odia and Tamil communities
Feb 25 21:03:34 <jayanta> two.txt will be generated
Feb 25 21:04:00 <tuxnani_> jayanta: send me a sample one
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Feb 25 21:04:05 <Gurlal> okay
Feb 25 21:04:46 <tuxnani_> Gurlal: I have checked Google OCR, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OoAtzddZHE0o1ftIAnOa6344YoGGz2O5DJ-4b2lwj0Y/edit?usp=sharing
Feb 25 21:05:37 <tuxnani_> Can we hear fom Kannada community, what their issues are?
Feb 25 21:05:56 <Satdeep> its good when do like this one page at a time
Feb 25 21:06:13 <Satdeep> but OCR4wikisource does not work
Feb 25 21:06:25 <Nirajan> I am interested in OCR. I will check it. Please send me some sample images.
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Feb 25 21:06:51 <Nirajan> Hope other OCR perform better.
Feb 25 21:06:57 <Ananth> @Satdeep we will work on it.
Feb 25 21:07:09 <jayanta> any one from sa and assumes community
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Feb 25 21:08:00 <Ananth> In Kannada we don't have many active community members that the main problem
Feb 25 21:08:08 <Anoop-Rao> @Ananth @smjalageri any issues with kannada wiki source
Feb 25 21:08:31 <tuxnani_> In Sanskrit Wikisource, the convention of using numerals needs to be fixed
Feb 25 21:08:51 <tuxnani_> some places hindi numerals are used, some places indo-arabic
Feb 25 21:09:07 <Ananth> and if we get help in bulk replacement of common errors it will be good
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Feb 25 21:09:22 <tuxnani_> Anyone from Malayalam here?
Feb 25 21:09:32 <Anoop-Rao> would it be possible to Christ college WEP program to focus more on kannada wikisourse
Feb 25 21:09:49 <Ananth> We are doing it
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Feb 25 21:10:06 <tuxnani_> Anyone from Odia?
Feb 25 21:10:14 <Ananth> and from now we will increase work on Wikisourc.
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Feb 25 21:11:09 <tuxnani_> Interesting fact is, Odia is the most viewed Wikisource among Indic wikisouces in last 30 days.
Feb 25 21:11:30 <Raghu> In christ 1st year students are working on wikisource
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Feb 25 21:11:54 <Titodutta> It's interesting
Feb 25 21:12:00 <Raghu> From now we will make sure that they spend more time on Wikisource
Feb 25 21:12:01 <tuxnani_> Any issues of Telugu community?
Feb 25 21:12:12 <smjalageri> Can I raise a query from Kannada?
Feb 25 21:12:12 <Pavan89> Personally, Automation of publishing unicode text to Wikisource pages basing on page numbers can reduce repetitive work
Feb 25 21:12:21 <Ananth> yes you can
Feb 25 21:12:22 <tuxnani_> smjalageri: yes please
Feb 25 21:12:38 <Gram_> Like the Christ college, we need find one in Hyderabad
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Feb 25 21:12:43 <tuxnani_> Pavan89: Can you explain?
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Feb 25 21:13:34 <Pavan89> I mean if we have a text file which was in unicode text given by some one and if we can publish content to relevant pages based on page numbers to Wikisource
Feb 25 21:13:42 <tuxnani> Any issues from Tamil Wikisource community?
Feb 25 21:13:44 <smjalageri> As knowledge-sharing community, Wikisource can have one Self-Service Page, .. explaining in lucid terms on Creative Commons, Copyright & Free books
Feb 25 21:13:59 <tuxnani> Pavan89: thats doable through pywikibot
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Feb 25 21:14:00 <Balajijagadesh> yes..
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Feb 25 21:14:37 <Balajijagadesh> there is problem with few old tamil fonts not recognised with ocr4wikisource
Feb 25 21:14:53 <Balajijagadesh> since many of the books are old there is lot of ocr errors..
Feb 25 21:14:59 <tuxnani> smjalageri: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/India This page would help
Feb 25 21:15:03 <smjalageri> Many gems of books are lying with doubts on copyright
Feb 25 21:15:30 <Tulsi> Guys, What do you say for Maithili Wikisource? Should we start this on incubator?
Feb 25 21:15:38 <tuxnani> I request CIS-A2K staff to come up with taking requests on checking copyright status of books.
Feb 25 21:15:55 <tuxnani> thanks Balajijagadesh
Feb 25 21:15:57 <smjalageri> Hi Tuxnani, I've seen that page, It follows the legal terms kind of language, not clear
Feb 25 21:16:02 <Ananth> Sure
Feb 25 21:16:12 <Balajijagadesh> @shrini can you help old tamil fonts ocr correction
Feb 25 21:16:13 <Titodutta> Yes @tuxnani
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Feb 25 21:16:23 <tuxnani> smjalageri: CIS-A2K staff will support you with this.
Feb 25 21:16:34 <Titodutta> Yes
Feb 25 21:16:37 <shrini> I am exploring tesseract 4
Feb 25 21:16:41 <smjalageri> Oh, Ok, I'll take that offline. Thank you.
Feb 25 21:16:42 <shrini> it is good
Feb 25 21:16:56 <jayanta> @ info-farmar , please explain what server why needed.???
Feb 25 21:17:03 <shrini> compiled it for my laptop. Trying to package it so that anyone can use it
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Feb 25 21:17:26 <shrini> @jayanta : We need a cloud server to run the OCR4Wikisource script
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Feb 25 21:17:35 <shrini> thats what he mentioned
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Feb 25 21:18:59 <Bodhisattwa> @Shrini, can you revive the Book uploader bot
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Feb 25 21:19:06 <Balajijagadesh> @shrini can we do it paws?
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Feb 25 21:19:16 <Anoop-Rao> @smjalageri , you can request support at aralikatte ,i will forward it to cis-a2k for review
Feb 25 21:19:22 <tuxnani> shrini: any possibility for using paws
Feb 25 21:19:37 <shrini> we can not do in paws
Feb 25 21:19:58 <shrini> the tools for PDF splitting is not available in paws
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Feb 25 21:20:11 <Balajijagadesh> or we can built something like paws in jupyter like yuvi did for paws
Feb 25 21:20:18 <Balajijagadesh> ??
Feb 25 21:20:19 <shrini> anyhow, it is a good idea.Will explore for any workarounds to use in paws
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Feb 25 21:20:40 <tuxnani> sure. Thanks shrini. You are our super star!
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Feb 25 21:20:45 <smjalageri> Ok, I will do that Anoop
Feb 25 21:20:50 <shrini> or we can ask wiki tech team to install the required tools on paws
Feb 25 21:21:04 <Ananth> thats good
Feb 25 21:21:16 <tuxnani> Since we are done asking for issues, can we move onto tools?
Feb 25 21:21:20 <Balajijagadesh> nice
Feb 25 21:21:33 <shrini> @Bodhisattwa : what is the issue with book uploader script? file a bug on relevant github repo
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Feb 25 21:22:37 <tuxnani> There was a query from Tulsi, who seems to have left.
Feb 25 21:22:59 <tuxnani> its about starting Maithili wikisource.
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Feb 25 21:23:22 <Bodhisattwa> Book uploader Bot or BUB is a tool created by Rohit Dua and Nemo to upload books from different urls like Google , Hathi trust to IA. For last 2 years it's totally defunct
Feb 25 21:23:50 <tuxnani> I request CIS-A2K again to list down literary works available in print or online as scans in all possible languages. That will help us work around different possibilities, including above query.
Feb 25 21:23:50 <Bodhisattwa> It's built upon python,
Feb 25 21:23:52 <Ananth> yes we need to work with Maithili community
Feb 25 21:23:55 <Ananth> and get it done
Feb 25 21:24:16 <shrini> @Bodhisattwa Nice. Share the link and issues for that
Feb 25 21:25:00 <Bodhisattwa> Ok, I will mail you
Feb 25 21:25:15 <tuxnani> Bodhisattwa: tried that, the library files are stale.
Feb 25 21:25:44 <tuxnani> Can we now move onto discuss any potential organisations to collaborate with?
Feb 25 21:27:30 <Bodhisattwa> Yes, National Library,
Feb 25 21:27:40 <tuxnani> I personally see a lot of potential with gazzettes
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Feb 25 21:28:07 <Bodhisattwa> It would be great of CIS-A2K collaborate with National Library to release their digital collection
Feb 25 21:28:13 <Bodhisattwa> ;-)
Feb 25 21:28:16 <tuxnani> Also, all the parliament speeches if translated to our languages will hold good.
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Feb 25 21:29:15 <Ananth> sure
Feb 25 21:29:29 <shrini> we need to ask government to release more contents in CC
Feb 25 21:29:32 <Ananth> we will try our best to get it done
Feb 25 21:30:16 <tuxnani> state level assembly speeches and GOs if in local languages, can be used at wikisource too
Feb 25 21:30:18 <Bodhisattwa> @Ananth, Niational Library?
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Feb 25 21:30:54 <tuxnani> Next, we will move onto our last point of discussion - mini one day events
Feb 25 21:31:04 <Pavan89> For participation, we can look find literature appriciation groups working in social media
Feb 25 21:31:12 <tuxnani> Titodutta: any inputs? @lahariya Pavan89
Feb 25 21:31:41 <Ananth> @bodhi i will talk with my team about it and let you know
Feb 25 21:31:43 <Pavan89> They will have digital skills, interest and can enjoy proof reading
Feb 25 21:32:15 <tuxnani> Ananth: What do you plan to do when you said mini one day events?
Feb 25 21:32:18 <Titodutta> About tuxnani? National library or mini event?
Feb 25 21:32:34 <tuxnani> Titodutta: mini events
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Feb 25 21:32:40 <Ananth> i am thinking to have a small event in each language
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Feb 25 21:33:09 <Ananth> at least one event per language
Feb 25 21:33:12 <tuxnani> In Telugu Pavan Santhosh does two days of just introducing.
Feb 25 21:33:28 <tuxnani> that will not yield any thing.
Feb 25 21:33:32 <shrini> Face to face events always inspire me to do more
Feb 25 21:33:33 <tuxnani> We need to plan properly.
Feb 25 21:33:47 <tuxnani> shrini: (y)
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Feb 25 21:33:59 <shrini> We need more mini events and workshops
Feb 25 21:34:01 <Pavan89> @tuxnani it does yield retention of new participants
Feb 25 21:34:10 <Titodutta> Yes sure. I am not the best person to plan or comments on it. Perhaps we can plan something keeping the workshop related discussions and requisition above and after more discussin
Feb 25 21:34:10 <Ananth> @shrini we can have one tech work shop for Wikisource
Feb 25 21:34:12 <enwnbot> <acagastya> If there would be for every language, what about English? (and where do you plan to conduct the workshop for enws?)
Feb 25 21:34:39 <Pavan89> When we carefully find participants who already have some inclination towards language and literature
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Feb 25 21:35:30 <Pavan89> And invite them to event, retention will be high
Feb 25 21:35:45 <Anoop-Rao> @Ananth any update on https://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/ವಿಕಿಪೀಡಿಯ:ಅರಳಿ_ಕಟ್ಟೆ#ಕನ್ನಡ_ಸಾಹಿತ್ಯ_ಪರಿಷತ್ತಿನ_ಪುಸ್ತಕಗಳನ್ನು_ಸೇರಿಸುವುದು
Feb 25 21:36:39 <tuxnani> Pavan89: Whats update on the Veeresalingam books you were supposed to dissect and upload? its been 4 months or so.
Feb 25 21:36:50 <Krishna> No. @Anoop
Feb 25 21:37:15 <Ananth> we are wokring on it and currenlty getting all the requried tools to finish that project
Feb 25 21:37:32 <Pavan89> I am doing it and started uploading to Commons and updated on Wikisource, will complete in this week
Feb 25 21:37:45 <tuxnani> Thanks Pavan89
Feb 25 21:37:57 <Pavan89> On another note, my understanding finding right participants will help in retention
Feb 25 21:38:35 <tuxnani> Pavan89: your efforts in that case are not focused per community but per person.
Feb 25 21:38:58 <tuxnani> that means, you have to put way more efforts per person. Thats too expensive.
Feb 25 21:39:26 <Pavan89> I'm just sharing a pattern, wherein we can find some interest groups and get them to Wikisource
Feb 25 21:39:56 <tuxnani> I did not see much happening in that pattern, at least not what was promised for.
Feb 25 21:40:10 <tuxnani> If there are no more discussion points, we can close this here.
Feb 25 21:40:34 <tuxnani> Titodutta: Ananth @lahariya, Krishna Pavan89 anything else?
Feb 25 21:41:00 <Krishna> Nothing from my side.
Feb 25 21:41:24 <Ananth> nothing for my side
Feb 25 21:41:48 <Pavan89> Nothing more from my side too
Feb 25 21:42:32 <tuxnani> Thank you all for being part of this discussion.
Feb 25 21:42:36 <Titodutta> Nothing feom agenda. Perhaps followup or next irc idea? Perhaps next month or so?
Feb 25 21:42:48 <Ananth> Thanks for everyone
Feb 25 21:43:00 <Ananth> we should have one per month
Feb 25 21:43:09 <tuxnani> By next month, i request Pavan89 o create list of works for Telugu and show as model
Feb 25 21:43:28 <Bodhisattwa_> One thing from my side, @Ananth, when are you going to talk about National Library with each other in CIS
Feb 25 21:43:58 <Titodutta> Thanks.
Feb 25 21:44:09 <Ananth> Monday
Feb 25 21:44:25 <Ananth> and i will give you update soon
Feb 25 21:44:27 <Pavan89> @tuxnani sure, will start creating list
Feb 25 21:44:35 <Bodhisattwa_> Ok, looking forward for your positive update
Feb 25 21:44:38 <Bodhisattwa_> :-)
Feb 25 21:44:41 <Anoop-Rao> nice discussion's for next please update IRC meetups in respective community village pumps
Feb 25 21:45:30 <Ananth> Sure
Feb 25 21:45:35 <Titodutta> Alright
Feb 25 21:46:43 <tuxnani> Take care all. Bye.
Feb 25 21:46:45 <Pavan89> Good Night everyone
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Feb 25 21:47:16 <Gurlal> Good Night
Feb 25 21:47:28 <Anoop-Rao> good night all , thanks for nice IRC meetup @CIS-A2K
Feb 25 21:47:35 <shrini> Thanks all
Feb 25 21:47:50 <yannf> thanks, good night all
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Feb 25 21:49:03 <Balajijagadesh> good night
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Feb 25 21:53:47 <Anoop-Rao> vikas meetup is over
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